[satish]

I would like to share the recent article of HT publised on 10th june 2007

Civil Services - Men loosing out to women

THE CIVIL services preliminary examination might just be one of the last bastion of men. But they win this battle, only to lose the war.

Men make up for 80 per cent of the 2 lakh candidates appearing for the first tier of the civil services selection process, account for 92 per cent of the 6,000 odd clearing this hurdle but then lose their advantage to women at the finals.
Nearly 20 per cent of those entering the civil services are women, the same percentage that had tried to clear the first hurdle.
Women, however, more than make up their low percentage of 78 per cent in recent years at the main examination and the interview by a Union Public Service Commission panel.
S.P. Gaur, secretary of the Union Public Service Commission that conducts the selection process, suggested the higher suc cess ratio of women at the second stage examination appeared to be in tune with their better performance at academics at school level. Girls have a higher pass percentage than boys at higher and secondary school level.
Gaur said that at the main examination, women also had a better success ratio than men. The success ratio of women was 1:4.8; that for men 1:12.
In 1985, women made up for only 10 per cent of the entrants. In 2005, they accounted for 20.6 per cent of the final merit list. Results recently declared for last year's examination indicate women retained this proportion at 21 per cent. They also seem to be scoring better than the men within the overall rankings; 24 per cent of those allotted the Indian Administrative Service, 18.5 per cent of the Indian Police Service recruits and 15 per cent of those allotted the Indian Foreign Service were women.

Every third entrant is comfortable with rural India and writing in an Indian language RURAL RISE 26.9% entrants had rural background in 1991 and 33.7% in 2005

[Nethra K Putti]

hello satish,
what you said is absolutly rite. you dont refer to only civil service, take any other fields, girls are ahead. there is value for some of the particular fields in education system, which makes girls to be ahead always.

just its recent that women are gaining their position in civil service fields.

[saifnaik]

Well i would not agree totally. Please dont think im a MSP i really love the way women are moving ahead in this male dominated and male biased society, but men are still ahead in places where analytical capabilities come to the fore Ex: IIT's ( women find this exam extremely difficult to crack and also are underepresented in these institutes ). Women seem to excel in exams which require considerable rotting.

[chanda_s]

heard of MCP. but whats this MSP; a different variety of a pig?

that apart, one must understand that it is really difficult for a woman to prepare for any exam, analytical or otherwise. she has to do all the household chores which we men are blissfully unaware of. they constantly face discouragement from family and friends. i have seen a good number of very intelligent girls not taking IIT exam because they know their parents wouldnt allow them to study such costly degrees. and more importantly, studying in an IIT means a girl has to stay away from the family in an alien city in her adoloscence. i'm not too sure if many of our traditional families are open to this idea.

and for many women, exclude city bred highly careeristic women, studying in an IIT or IIM is generally not the end of the world. as most families percieve it, for women, getting married to a man from IIT or an IIM is more important. elders constantly tell them, 'history and languages are yours, boys will go for math and science'. our sisters are brought up in this sort of environment and how can one expect that they can suddenly come out of this mindset and challenge the established bastions of men?

we in the indian society are just opening up, friends. let the women of this great country have equal opportunity first, then we can talk of who is more intelligent and who is more analytical.

there was a time when hardly any women went abroad for studies. now we see a very good percentage of women going to US and other coutries all alone for studies. things will improve. one must realise we have, for centuries, stereotyped women and it will definitely take time for them to shed their inhibitions and come out with full energy. and when they do, saif bhaiyya, a day will come when men and women might have to exchange their traditional roles.

women have already proved they have the better perseverence and patience. they deserve more time and opportunity to prove if they are more intelligent and analytical before any judgement is passed.

with great respect to the mothers and sisters of my country, i say this; when an Indian woman loses, it because she wants to.

[saifnaik]

Sorry bad at spellings ( MSP ). Well the analytical weakness of girls is not some personal opinion, it was debated in IBN recently.

[aparna]

Kindly read the book 'Why men don't listen and women can't read maps'. One realizes the biological and evolutionary strengths and weakness and makes you more mature about other gender.

For example: Men have tubular vision and Women have peripheral vision. During pre-historic times, for hunting Men needed to focus to the 'subjects' and should know exactly the depth, speed and distance.
Thus men had tubular vision.

While Women protecting their child, need to focus on many things to watch over any attacks sideways.

This is the reason the book explains why Men are good driver. But that is the reason it says why men are always caught peeping, even though it has been proved that both are equal in this activity; because men need to turn his head to see while women can see through peripheral vision.

[Latha Ramesh]

Women just talk out their problems and go ahead for the next job.
But Men jump right away to find a solution and till they are up to it, nothing can bother them. This way i think Men loose some time, which Women take advantage and beat them in competitive exams

[satish]

Why only female members are participating ? and trying to beat around the bush...
Yeah that's correct that there is no place remaining where the women have not gone around..but isn`t ? the ratio is far less to compare.

[chanda_s]

Originally Posted by satish

Why only female members are participating ?

.but isn`t ? the ratio is far less to compare.

hey satish, include saif and me in the category of males.

that apart, dont worry about the ratio just yet. it will improve, as it has been doing over the years.

[sf13]

Chandra s. Sir,
Your write up was very observant and empathetic, I was pleasantly surprised that not all men are defensive on gender issues and are prepared to look at it with sensitivity.Thank you.
But please explain the last line...."a woman looses because she wants to loose".