[saifnaik]

Well here we go again. . Well Chandra sir can you please enlighten us on what you mean by that last line.... This is the time i guess you need to take out the balancing act wand which one acquires after joining the services

[chanda_s]

well, i meant exactly what i said.

it is one bit of philosophy which is better learnt by self rather than through explanation. its not too complicated in any case. just observe your mother, sister and if you are married, your wife closely and you'll understand the meaning of what i said.

the amount of sacrifices they do(which more often than not we don't acknowledge, infact we don't even know; rural women and many urban women even today eat after all male members finished eating and we don't even bother to ensure something is remaining for them to eat) the ease with which they fore go the best opportunities in your favour (ever wondered why the tv remote is mostly in your hands?) the tough responsibilities they seem to gladly shoulder despite their shoulders being narrower than ours(how many of us gave a thought of why its only our mothers and sisters who have to do the cooking and cleaning the shit of our children?) - these things are better understood when observed than when explained.

these are very small things but reflect the burden inherited by half the indian population merely by virtue of their sex. if it ever strikes us that these small things indicate a trait that is so natural to our fairer sex(i would without hesitation say, the stronger sex as well) there will be no problem in understanding the bigger picture and the depth of my sentence's meaning.

i know that was some bombardment. but you people asked for it.

[sf13]

Chandra Sir,
Your views are appreciated and respected and it certainly was not a bombardment.
But let me elaborate my prevoius query and the answer i was seeking.
If suppose women do not "want to loose" ,then what is the way ahead?
I have always believed that individual and social constraints have always outwitted women then there own intellect,but in the present social setup are there any alternatives at all.And then if these be the circumstances then is it proper to say that they "want to loose"? Will not a desire to "win" create familial and social tensions? And then is it not a social problem than being individual?

Sir, my questions are genuine and not from a desire to either abuse women, or make a mockery of the arguments.I sincerely believe in all what u say,but only need a further elaboration.
Thank you.

[chanda_s]

these are some very very fine thoughts, sf13. its so encouraging and refreshing to find youngsters pondering in depth and with such maturity.

one essay i attempted at my first mains essay paper was on 'woman is god's greatest creation' or something very similar to that. i was suddenly reminded of that essay.

what you are hinting at in your post, sf13, is one aspect which unfortunately most sociologists are missing. in an attempt to bring in western thought, our experts are missing a strong invisible undercurrent that is set to engulf the indian society in the coming decades. the faster we realise this the better prepared we can be.

the question you asked is what if women dont want to lose. for one, i dread to think of the possible scenarios. it is not just the family system and values i'm worried about; its the entire social and domestic fabric. a lot of definitions would change. we already see a lot of difference, don't we? sf13, these thoughts of yours require and deserve wider discussion and platform. i sincerely hope other members too would participate.

but i believe that though indian woman has a great desire to win, she sometimes wants to lose because inherently she knows in her loss is her ultimate victory. its just a matter of difference in perception as to what victory really is.

[Nethra K Putti]

Why Now-a-days Women Think They Want To Win Something in Their Life & show the World that they are equal to men?
before & all women had no chance of winning their life, because in the olden days: they had been fixed that women means they should be in house looking after their family, husband, children etc. by doing household works like cooking food etc., before-to-before years back women means they use to hate severly. women were downtrodden.

but when centuries passed-on, women came to know their value for their life.
they started finding jobs in different fields like Khadi, Agarbathi factory like this small small work they found & started doing & also started earning to their life for the first time.

after millieneaum i.e.2000, Women perfectly occupied their best position, showed that they are possible of doing any job even if it is very difficult for them to gain.
They are able to manage both their family & work conditions.

Software was the filed that first came to recruit women workers/students.
security for her life is she itself.She is responsible if anything happens to her life.

Talking about Civil Service : from 2001 or 99 womens started to top the competative exams field, the reason behind this..offcourse even me too dont know.
& Now see : take any field women will be their, & their ratio will be almost equall to that of men.

Just an Example i give: now when India is going to get Women as its President, think that at which level women are showing their strength & putting efforts.

who has been understood the problems of women?

[sf13]

Chandra sir,
Thank you.Your concluding views are sensitive but disheartening.I wish there was a happier way ahead, where women had a better deal in life and our socio-ethical setup too would not be upset. .It has been rightly said that women will not be served their rights on a platter they will have to grab them.

[saifnaik]

Well things are changing i guess but very slowly though ( in my place my mom gets to eat first and always has the remote in her hand ). The only way to change the male domination mindset is to educate people and also eradicate poverty. Women need to be well educated and educated about their rights and the men they get married to should be morally educated.I feel most of the sterotypes that exist in the society today are because of lack of moral education.

[vivekrajput]

Originally Posted by chanda_s

well, i meant exactly what i said.

it is one bit of philosophy which is better learnt by self rather than through explanation. its not too complicated in any case. just observe your mother, sister and if you are married, your wife closely and you'll understand the meaning of what i said.

the amount of sacrifices they do(which more often than not we don't acknowledge, infact we don't even know; rural women and many urban women even today eat after all male members finished eating and we don't even bother to ensure something is remaining for them to eat) the ease with which they fore go the best opportunities in your favour (ever wondered why the tv remote is mostly in your hands?) the tough responsibilities they seem to gladly shoulder despite their shoulders being narrower than ours(how many of us gave a thought of why its only our mothers and sisters who have to do the cooking and cleaning the shit of our children?) - these things are better understood when observed than when explained.

these are very small things but reflect the burden inherited by half the indian population merely by virtue of their sex. if it ever strikes us that these small things indicate a trait that is so natural to our fairer sex(i would without hesitation say, the stronger sex as well) there will be no problem in understanding the bigger picture and the depth of my sentence's meaning.

i know that was some bombardment. but you people asked for it.

response to Sir: the conditioned mentioned by you were applicable because society was divided in two parts men and women, men playing half part of working hard earning livelihood for the family and other part women taking care of home and famly, including feeding family, bringing up children. Hence, women had to follow these activities.

Yeah, in present scenario where women have stepped out and started woking, it is combined responsibility of men and women to assist each other in all fronts.

[manju2319]

All is fine but i just want to know that if the women section want to prove themselves to be equal or on par with men then why are they claiming for 33% reservation ? Once they get the reservations then its obvious that their ratio of success will increase. It wont be a big deal if they are doing it under reservations. Let them compete without any reservations and then prove themselves. Your thoughts.!

[vivekrajput]

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All is fine but i just want to know that if the women section want to prove themselves to be equal or on par with men then why are they claiming for 33% reservation ?<IMG class=inlineimg title=Confused alt="" src="http://www.indianofficer.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif" border=0 smilieid="10"> Once they get the reservations then its obvious that their ratio of success will increase. It wont be a big deal if they are doing it under reservations. Let them compete without any reservations and then prove themselves. Your thoughts.!

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<P>Yeah, the querry raised by you is consistent.&nbsp; I wish to add additional jack to your point.&nbsp; Increasing participation of women in commercial field has enhanced a vicious economic gape&nbsp;in the society.&nbsp; For instance, in a family both spouses are well earning partner, while other family is linguishing without any earning partner or low salaried partner&nbsp;in the family.&nbsp; A working woman certainly&nbsp;marry with a man with&nbsp;higher salary. (quote)</P>